Until something's proven empirically, epistemological
concepts at- or whatever your conceptual ideas, they have to
make a juxtaposition with reality someplace, so that you
know, by empirical evidence, that what you have said was
reality is tested to be reality, and proven to be reality.
polarized as we are in the lower end of the socio-
economic income picture, and they think that uh, they can
reach down to our ra- drab existence and lift us up.